[WMCEE-l] GAC/IEG application block

Zana Strkovska 777.zana at gmail.com
Wed Jan 21 18:04:10 CET 2015

Dear all,

I understand Susanna's idea as she explained: in one  month ALL CEE
countries wikipedians will write articles about the same chosen country. -
I like that idea. I think that some day / year if we reach the limit of
articles about CEE countries, we could continue with other continent's
countries. This project is ongoing for years, in that way.

But as Kaarel is concerned that this format would decreased participation,
maybe we could vote, or think again. I could understand his concerning as:
what if in some Wikipedia articles about chosen country for that month / or
weeks already exist?
That would be the problem.

Just a thoughts.


2015-01-21 16:25 GMT+01:00 Susanna Mkrtchyan <susanna.mkrtchyan at gmail.com>:

> Dear Kaarel,
> excuse me for my poor English, I'll try to explain my approach: in one
>  month ALL CEE countries wikipedians will write articles about the same
> chosen country, even the chosen country's wikipedians may improve articles
> about their own country. Where is limited numbers of wikipedias.
> Susanna.
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Jan Loužek <jan.louzek at wikimedia.cz>
> wrote:
>> Kaarel,
>> I've been on a meeting with the Polish Institute today and we concluded
>> that a mutal contest should be supported by WMCEE Spring 2015. There will
>> be a proessional (WWII, due to the anniversary of 70 years from liberation
>> this year) level and a general one.
>> I made quite a long conclusion about this (but so far I haven't
>> translated this into English, it will be done and sent to this list as
>> well), and the conclusion was sent to our mailing list. That is why Juandev
>> asked couple of questions.
>> So in the end, I hope CEE Spring will work and we will have a good event
>> here in Prague.
>> Jan Loužek (Aktron)
>> Wikimedia Czech Republic
>> chairman
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> > Od: Kaarel Vaidla <kaarel at wikimedia.ee>
>> > Komu: A list for Wikimedians from Central and Eastern Europe <
>> wmcee-l at tools.wikimedia.pl>
>> > Datum: 21.01.2015 15:26
>> > Předmět: Re: [WMCEE-l] GAC/IEG application block
>> >
>> Dear all,
>> I thank Susanna Mkrtchyan for sharing her thoughts and concerns!
>> For a further discussion I would like to outline *some of the aspects of
>> two possible formats for the WMCEE Spring 2015*:
>> 1) The original idea was to create an event, where active editing *would
>> take place in the largest possible number of Wikipedias in the region*.
>> The *vision* of such event was to create a *unity in the region* also on
>> the level of Wikipedias and to increase region relevant content in all
>> related Wikipedias.
>> The *pros of this format* (in my opinion) are: a. *diversity* of content
>> contributed, b. *notability* of the effort = better outreach, c.
>> *increased* absolute numbers of *participation*.
>> The *cons of this format* (in my opinion) are: a. *complexity* of the
>> event structure, b. *increased need for* human and time *resources, c.
>> increased risks *caused by the extent of the project.
>> 2) Susanna Mkrtchyan from Wikimedia Armenia has now proposed a slightly
>> different approach to the event, with an *emphasis on limited number of
>> Wikipedias during one event*. The *vision *of such event is to* increase
>> regional collaboration* through an event with a less-confusing and
>> therefore hopefully *more effective structure* (did I understand
>> correctly?).
>> The *pros of this format* (in my opinion) are: a. *clarity* of
>> structure, b. *decreased need for *human and financial* resources*, c. *reduced
>> risks *through decreased extent of the project.
>> The *cons of this format* (in my opinion) are: a. *decreased outreach*,
>> b. *decreased participation*, c. *reduced diversity and amount of
>> content contributed*.
>> Personally I believe that *if we want to make WMCEE work as an
>> integrated whole* we should continue with *the original format* and try
>> to organise the event in the largest possible number of wikis (we already
>> have contacts from 11 countries in the region listed on the project
>> contact page
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2015/Contacts> !)
>> On the other hand, I do understand concerns of Susanna Mkrtchyan and
>> problems related to organising a large scale project. *Piloting the
>> project on a smaller scale* is a usual, relevant and *reasonable
>> approach*.
>> Nevertheless, I would like to point out that this type of collaboration
>> weeks and months have already tried out by Wikimedia Ukraine, Armenia,
>> Estonia etc. I would also like to avoid the flaws made during the
>> organisation of article contribution month on Greece (decided on Wikimania
>> 2014 and organised only by 2 chapters / wikis) and therefore I would like
>> to get *a larger part of the region involved*.
>> I would like to thank Snezana Strkovska for participating in the
>> discussion and sharing her opinion. What I would like even more is to see
>> others following her lead and *contributing their opinions to the
>> discussion*, so we can consider the largest possible number of opinions
>> in making *the decision of how to proceed with the project*.
>> Looking forward to hearing from you all *soon!*
>> Best regards,
>>    Kaarel Vaidla
>>  Wikimedia Eesti
>>  Executive director
>> 2015-01-21 11:03 GMT+02:00 Susanna Mkrtchyan <susanna.mkrtchyan at gmail.com
>> >:
>>>  Dear WMCEE friends,
>>> I would like to share with some ideas regarding to WMCEE Spring. In
>>> order to avoid confusion, I think it will be better to announce one month
>>> for one country. For example in March all WMCEE wikipedians will develop
>>> the topics about  Estonia, April will be devoted to Greece and May to
>>> Poland,.... And one of this countries will be choosen as host of Wiki Camp
>>> for winners. If we'll succeed, then for 2016 we will announce second triple
>>> of countries. Wikimedia Armenia with pleasure will share our experience of
>>> organizing of Wiki Camp.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Susanna.
>>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Kaarel Vaidla <kaarel at wikimedia.ee>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I thank Tomasz Ganicz for drawing attention to the discussion in
>>>> WIkimedia-l list, as well as to Alex Wang for her comments on the subject!
>>>> This has been most helpful!
>>>> I apologize for the delay in answering to WMCEE related letters, but I
>>>> hope that we can continue with discussions in a more rapid manner.
>>>> Firstly, I would like to clarify one subject that has brought about
>>>> some confusion: *there are actually 2 separate events planned for
>>>> WMCEE for this year*.
>>>> 1) *WMCEE Spring
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2015>* - a
>>>> collaboration initiative spreading over all Wikipedias in the region and
>>>> supporting the creation of region related articles in all those Wikipedias.
>>>> Although User:Kaarel Vaidla (WM EE)
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Kaarel_Vaidla_(WM_EE)> created
>>>> the event page and has been engaged with its further development, it does
>>>> not mean that it is a collaboration event organised completely by Wikimedia
>>>> Eesti. Of course, as one of the established chapters in the region, we will
>>>> allocate some of our time and financial resources tfor WMCEE Spring, but we
>>>> would like to see more active approach from other groups in the region. *In
>>>> its essence WMCEE Spring is not a meeting, but an on-wiki collaboration
>>>> initiative*, although a possible meeting of Wikipedians of the region
>>>> has been discussed. As to the dates of this event, we would like to se e it
>>>> to begin on the 20th of March, as to coincide with the actual beginning of
>>>> Spring. The end dates and possible meeting dates are not clear and there is
>>>> room for discussion.
>>>> 2) *WMCEE Retreat 2015*
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2015> - a
>>>> physical meeting of Wikimedians in the region, similar to 2012 edition
>>>> in Belgrade
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012>, 2013
>>>> edition in Modra
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2013> and 2014
>>>> edition in Kyiv
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2014>. This
>>>> event organised this year mostly by WIkimedia Eesti, but content-wise open
>>>> for external contributions. According to current plan *this event will
>>>> take place in the end of August or in the beginning of September*.
>>>> Shortly, *there are 2 separate events not to be confused*!
>>>> Secondly, *it is correct WMCEE Spring will be organised during the
>>>> launch of Inspire Campaign*, which rises some funding related issues
>>>> for this event. As WMCEE Retreat is planned for August or September, I
>>>> think that we have time for negotiating questions related to further WMF
>>>> funding (if needed) after the first Inspire Campaign period.
>>>> As to WMCEE Spring, we have not yet determined what are *the funding
>>>> needs for this event*
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2015/Budget>. I
>>>> propose that we could have a *hangout or skype session* in order to
>>>> have a more effective discussion. What do you think? I have *created a
>>>> doodle* <http://doodle.com/4zaer3xs4wwzvsd9> to simplify the process
>>>> of finding a suitable time. Any other suggestions are more than welcome!
>>>> I also think that as Wikimedia Eesti is already organising the WMCEE
>>>> meeting this year, we would not be so interested in organising
>>>> WikiCamp-like event for the winners of WMCEE Spring. I do think that WMCEE
>>>> should be locally visible in more than one country during the year. I
>>>> believe that Wikimedia Eesti is already reaching the outreach effect with
>>>> the meeting and organising WMCEE Spring final event here would somewhat be
>>>> a waste of resources. Any thoughts?
>>>> I would like to thank you all for your kind attention and hope to see a
>>>> more active CEE Wikimedia wise!
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>    Kaarel Vaidla
>>>>  Wikimedia Eesti
>>>>  Executive director
>>>> 2015-01-17 0:06 GMT+02:00 Alex Wang <awang at wikimedia.org>:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> I just joined this list so apologies for a delayed response to this
>>>>> question around grant application timing.
>>>>> As Tomasz mentioned, Project and Event Grants will be focused on
>>>>> gender gap issues February 1-April 30th. However, if there is a
>>>>> time-sensitive request, they will be considered during this period.
>>>>> Please do let me know if, and approximately when, the organizers of
>>>>> CEE Spring 2015 plan to submit a grant request and I will work with you on
>>>>> the review process.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Anna Koval <akoval at wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:56 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WMCEE-l] GAC/IEG application block
>>>>>> To: A list for Wikimedians from Central and Eastern Europe <
>>>>>> wmcee-l at tools.wikimedia.pl>
>>>>>> Cc: eva at kodu.ee, Kaarel Vaidla <kaarel at wikimedia.ee>
>>>>>>  Dear Tomasz,
>>>>>> Thank you for flagging this for us.
>>>>>> And, thank you for offering Wikimedia Polska's support to Wikimedia
>>>>>> Estonia.
>>>>>> Anna <3
>>>>>>   --
>>>>>> Anna Koval, M.Ed.
>>>>>> Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>> +1.415.839.6885 x6729
>>>>>> akoval at wikimedia.org
>>>>>> education.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>   On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:57 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>   Hi,
>>>>>>> As probably not all of you follow the wikimedia-l list, just an
>>>>>>> information - which is not a secret but was not made very public yet, that
>>>>>>> WMF Grantmaking team decided to block applications for grants from February
>>>>>>> 1 till May 1 (for 3 months), as during this time only gender gap related
>>>>>>> applications will be accepted except some very urgent projects (without
>>>>>>> clear definition what "urgent" means).
>>>>>>>  So it seems that if we want to apply for a grant for spring contest
>>>>>>> as well as meeting in Estonia - we should probably apply ASAP - I mean in
>>>>>>> January.
>>>>>>>  Please, do not comment on the decision of WMF here - as it is not
>>>>>>> proper list for such discussio. If you want to - go to wikimedia-l list,
>>>>>>> where there is long thread regarding the issue.
>>>>>>>  If Estonian team needs some support from Wikimedia Polska
>>>>>>> regarding sharing costs or playing a role of payment processor - please
>>>>>>> contact me directly ASAP.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>  Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz
>>>>>>> http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek
>>>>>>> http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/
>>>>>>> http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
>>>>>>>    _______________________________________________
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>>>>> --
>>>>>   Alex Wang
>>>>> Program Officer
>>>>> Project & Event Grants
>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home>
>>>>> +1 415-839-6885
>>>>> Skype: alexvwang
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