[WMCEE-l] WMCEE-l Digest, Vol 23, Issue 26

Renessaince renessaince at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 08:44:14 CET 2013


As for me, I see Michal Matúšov's real intentions to do the best he can the
conference to happen. So I support him and still hope to visit conference.
We don't have much possibilities to meet all across Europe because of visa
requirements to travel, so I wouldn't like to waste such a chance to make
acquaintances, learn some new things about other communities' experiences
and problems, and probably even talk a little each others' languages :)

Looking forward to meet!


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> From: Michal Mat??ov <michal.matusov at wikimedia.sk>
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> Hi. Information about accommodation is on
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> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2013/Conference#Accommodation
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> Regards!
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> 28.10.2013 20:55 odosielate? nap?sal:
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> > Hi,
> >
> > Can anyone explain the conference accommodation situation? Are the
> organizers organizing this? Or do we need to organize this ourselves? If
> ourselves, what are the cheap options in the city?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Laura Hale
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> From: Asaf Bartov <abartov at wikimedia.org>
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> Subject: [WMCEE-l] CEE grant not funded; thoughts on two roads...
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> Dear colleagues,
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> I have bittersweet news: the Wikimedia Foundation will not be funding the
> grant proposal for the upcoming meeting in Modra.  Please see the
> announcement on the grant proposal talk page:
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> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Wikimedia_Slovakia/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2013#Not_funded
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> (go, read it.  I'll wait!)
>
> So, that's the bitter part.  The sweet is that there's a path forward -- if
> this metacommunity (i.e. community of communities) is truly interested in
> the skill-sharing, cross-pollination, and regional collaboration we have
> been talking about, it will need to _show_ it much more energetically.  The
> CEE idea cannot be borne by three or four dedicated individuals.
>
> It really is up to you: use the upcoming meeting (those of you who are
> going anyway), and this (rather inactive) mailing list, and figure it out
> -- DO we (where we = more than a single person from each of a three or four
> chapters) want CEE to be a real thing, and if so, WHAT do we want to
> do/achieve with it, AND what are we willing to DO toward those goals.
>
> If and when I see evidence of this energy, I will support it in any way I
> can, including funding a fuller CEE event (even in a few months!), and of
> course participating myself.
>
> I will also mention two examples of comparable attempts:
>
> on the one hand, Iberocoop -- the group of chapters, proto-chapters and
> user groups speaking Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian -- who have a fairly
> active mailing list, and have been engaging in some regional cooperation
> (mostly around printed materials, experience sharing, WLM, and education
> programs), and have recently had their third regional conference
> (Iberoconf).  I participated in that conference (held in the participants
> own languages), and I was impressed with the level of discussion and the
> concrete plans hatched during the event.  I also found it useful to have
> been present, including quite a few one-on-one conversations I have been
> able to have with various delegates.
>
> It should be acknowledged that Iberocoop enjoys the fact that most of the
> groups collaborate over two shared, major Wikipedias (the Spanish and the
> Portuguese Wikipedias), making mutual trust and understanding easier
> (shared experiences, familiarity with policies and history) and
> facilitating easier sharing of materials and resources.  This is not quite
> the case in CEE, where most groups are not sharing a major Wikipedia with
> other groups, albeit there are still the linguistic kinship (for the Slavic
> groups, at least) and some cultural similarities.  Also, I am certainly not
> saying Iberocoop is perfect (its imperfections were much discussed in
> Iberoconf, in fact...)
>
> On the other hand, the group that has been calling itself (without
> authorization, ahem) "Wikimedia Asia" for several years now.  This label
> comes to life twice a year, before Wikimania and the Wikimedia Conference,
> when its 2-3 proponents try to get people to "do something as Wikimedia
> Asia".  There was talk of regional conferences, of joint projects, etc., --
> the sort we've mentioned in the context of CEE as well.  However, nothing
> happened.  No collaboration has ever taken place, no conferences were had,
> and other than a few "Wikimedia Asia" lunches during Wikimania events, it
> was an empty label.
>
> This past Wikimania, in Hong Kong, there was a "Wikimedia Asia" session,
> where, again, ideas were discussed, but little progress was made.  Trying
> to get the obvious good intentions in the room onto practical lines, I
> proposed a cultural exchange project, where each of us would enlist our
> communities to translate some key articles about each other's country or
> culture (mediated through the English Wikipedia), the benefits being that
> it's an entirely-online project requiring no funding and no complicated
> set-up.  Nevertheless, almost three months later, it is clear the project
> is not a success:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asia_Project/Cultural_Content_Exchange
> (the two most active participants are Vishnu, a CIS employee in India,
> and... yours truly.)
>
> I am bringing this up to demonstrate to you that I am not exclusively
> critical of the CEE group, and that there are models with both more and
> less energy than CEE currently shows.  It is up to you whether CEE becomes
> more like Iberocoop or more like "Wikimedia Asia".
>
> I look forward to discussion of the future of WMCEE, as well as to any news
> from the Modra meeting once it takes place.
>
> Warmly,
>
>    Asaf
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