[WMCEE-l] WMCEE-l Digest, Vol 23, Issue 5

Renessaince renessaince at gmail.com
Wed Oct 9 09:48:09 CEST 2013


Probably conference can be moved to the later term at least because it can
be too late fro somebody to plan trips and bookings.


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>    1. Re: CEE Meeting cancelled? (Kiril Simeonovski)
>    2. Re: CEE Meeting cancelled? (Juan de Vojn?kov)
>    3. Re: CEE Meeting cancelled? (Mile Ki?)
>    4. Re: CEE Meeting cancelled? (Juan de Vojn?kov)
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> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 17:32:14 +0200
> From: Kiril Simeonovski <kiril.simeonovski at gmail.com>
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> Hi,
>
> Nice to hear there is still enthusiasm to organise the conference, but
> don't forget that there is almost a month before the official dates.
>
> Best,
>
> Kiril
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Michal Reiter <ch.mabot at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > more interactive slovak timetable is located at:
> >
> >
> >
> http://cp.atlas.sk/vlakbus/spojenie/?date=22.10.2013&time=17%3a19&f=Bratislava&t=Modra&fc=1&tc=1&direct=false&byarr=false&submit=true&af=false&lng=E
> > Sincerely
> > Michal Reiter/Limojoe
> >
> >
> > 2013/10/8 Bence Damokos <bdamokos at gmail.com>
> >
> >> I'll let the organisers provide detailed information, but basically you
> >> can take a bus or train to Vienna to Bratislava which takes about an
> hour,
> >> and from Bratislava, you can take a local bus to Modra (
> >>
> http://www.slovaklines.sk/fileadmin/user_upload/cestovne_poriadky/pal/102422.pdf
> >> ).
> >>
> >> Not sure about the exact prices but the Bratislava-Vienna part should
> >> cost you around EURO 15 for a round trip, and the local bus to Modra
> should not
> >> be too expensive either.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bence
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Raul Veede <raul.veede at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "we have grant for attendants from Vysegrad group and promised funds
> >>> from number of WM chapters"
> >>>
> >>> Does this mean you have no intention to apply for a grant directly from
> >>> WMF?
> >>>
> >>> Also, again: it would be VERY useful if you would give any information
> >>> about the transport to Modra. The closest points obviously are
> Bratislava
> >>> and Vienna, but how can one get from Vienna to Modra?
> >>>
> >>> Raul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Michal Mat??ov <
> >>> michal.matusov at wikimedia.sk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> **
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi everyone.
> >>>>
> >>>> Opinion of organiser:
> >>>>
> >>>> I confess it was a little disappointing to see not big public interest
> >>>> about the meeting in middle of organising it. But it seems to be
> caused by
> >>>> lack of communication, because as I have written personally to
> potential
> >>>> attendants they showed interest.
> >>>>
> >>>> As Juan have mentioned, organisation of some events are finished not
> >>>> long time before of it. This is case of this event too. Me too would
> prefer
> >>>> to have program done 3 months before of the conference; but we wanted
> to
> >>>> provide program most customized to interests and needs of local
> >>>> organisations. This approach wasn't so effective as you can seein
> program
> >>>> talk page.
> >>>>
> >>>> Up to now is reserved and prepared venue, we have grant for attendants
> >>>> from Vysegrad group and promised funds from number of WM chapters,
> number
> >>>> of speaks is confirmed. Graphic designer are preparing materials for
> the
> >>>> conference and registration form is going to be published very soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> The meeting is _not_ cancelled and we are still working on it. I want
> >>>> to emphasise that work of local organiser, E at I, is not so visible for
> >>>> now, it will be visible especially during the conference. For
> communication
> >>>> with Wikimedia community is responsible me personally.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have some questions or proposals don't hesitate to contact me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 08.10.2013 01:50 odosielate? nap?sal:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello, everyone.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm beginning to think the CEE meeting[0] should be considered
> >>>> cancelled.  Here's why:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. It is just barely more than 1 month away, and despite several
> >>>> reminders (not just by me), a grant proposal has not yet been
> submitted to
> >>>> WMF for consideration.  The draft proposal[1] does not provide enough
> >>>> specifics to begin reviewing, and has not been edited since July.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. The program page[2] has seen almost no discussion, just a number of
> >>>> me-too votes.  Apparently, speakers were invited based on these
> votes, but
> >>>> the talk descriptions are merely vague titles, e.g. "Photo contest in
> >>>> Wikimedia environment", or "GLAM".
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. The main (and only?) local organizer is unresponsive for weeks at a
> >>>> time[3].
> >>>>
> >>>> 4. On-list discussions seem to involve no more than 3-4 people.
> >>>>  Repeated calls by the 3-4 who care for others to participate go
> >>>> unanswered.  My interpretation: the vast majority of CEE Wikimedians
> on the
> >>>> list just don't care very much about this event -- whether it happens
> at
> >>>> all, or what it consists of if it does.
> >>>>
> >>>> Given all this, I have serious doubts about whether it would be
> >>>> responsible to fund this event.  If you think I'm wrong, please offer
> your
> >>>> perspective, in light of the above.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>    Asaf
> >>>>
> >>>> [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2013
> >>>> [1]
> >>>>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimedia_Slovakia/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2013
> >>>> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2013/Program
> >>>> [3] I'm sure it's not by choice!  I don't blame KuboF at all.  I am,
> >>>> however, pointing out at a crucial weakness of organizing capacity,
> given
> >>>> KuboF's limited availability.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>     Asaf Bartov
> >>>>     Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> >>>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> >>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Michal Mat??ov
> >>>> [[:w:sk:Redaktor:KuboF]]
> >>>> Wikimedia Slovensk? republika
> >>>> Dom slu?ieb ALFA
> >>>> Febru?rov? 1478/2
> >>>> 958 01 Partiz?nske
> >>>> predseda / president
> >>>> Web: http://wikimedia.sk
> >>>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/WikimediaSK
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 00:41:00 +0200
> From: Juan de Vojn?kov <juandevojnikov at gmail.com>
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> it would be VERY useful if you would give any information about the
> transport to Modra. The closest points obviously are Bratislava and Vienna,
> but how can one get from Vienna to Modra?
>
> Try this website Raul. It has also English version:
> http://jizdnirady.idnes.cz
>
>
> Juandev
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> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 04:01:29 +0200
> From: Mile Ki? <m.mikym at gmail.com>
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> And who (sill) thinks that we do not have communicate on this list. 13
> emails in 1 day :)
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> Hope, everything will be fine in the end. We really need CEE conference and
> we really need to put progress in working together.
>
> mile
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> From: Juan de Vojn?kov <juandevojnikov at gmail.com>
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> *I confess it was a little disappointing to see not big public interest
> about the meeting in middle of organising it. But it seems to be caused by
> lack of communication, because as I have written personally to potential
> attendants they showed interest.*
>
> Oh yes, that is the right progress. I would recommend to talk to all
> potential participants directly. If you dont know to who, look at life
> documentation from other meeting to know, who is working on what in which
> country: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/CEE2012
>
>
> *This approach wasn't so effective as you can seein program talk page.*
>
> Next time, you can visit other Wikimedia events in the area to see, what is
> their approach.[?]
>
> Jan
>
>
> 2013/10/9 Mile Ki? <m.mikym at gmail.com>
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> > And who (sill) thinks that we do not have communicate on this list. 13
> > emails in 1 day :)
> >
> > Hope, everything will be fine in the end. We really need CEE conference
> > and we really need to put progress in working together.
> >
> > mile
> >
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