[WMCEE-l] CEE cooperation and meeting - why?

Kiril Simeonovski kiril.simeonovski at gmail.com
Sun Aug 26 23:23:38 CEST 2012

Hi Juan,

The discussion about the initiative to start up again a cooperation among
the countries from the CEE region was intended not to act on solving
problems, but to enhance the partnerships to stronger links and encourage
the smaller communities to reach organizational skills that would have to
promote their work in their countries. Important sentiment that fuels this
statement is the similar political, cultural, and historical background
among most of these peoples and the countries where they live.

Since you mention Wikimania and the role of this conference to mouth some
of the problems within the Movement, we cannot use it as something that can
do sufficient impact in the smaller regions, such as the Central and
Eastern Europe. Even if we consider that Wikimania is organized to host
people from as many countries as possible, it cannot bring people from all
countries from CEE to raise their questions concerns, opinions and ideas.
We don't seek for something that has been already seen or discussed at
Wikimania, but for something that will guarantee time for the issues that
we have in our societies. Some people will argue that the time spent on
local issues is not supported at Wikimania and considered useless, but what
to say when we really have to spend time on discussing something that would
put benefit for everyone? Do you really think that the people who are
invited to come at the CEE meeting have already had a chance to raise their
own opinions on any other prominent place?

Finally, this conference is not organized because it was conceived and
promoted by a local group of individuals from a single country or
community, but because the idea was supported by the majority of people
that work on fueling of the development of the CEE partnership. It, of
course, doesn't mean that everybody from the region supports this
partnership, and we're always welcome on receiving comments concerning the
sense of its existence.

Best regards,


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Juan de Vojníkov <juandevojnikov at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hello.
> I don't know, what problems push us to set up CEE cooperation and organize
> a meeting. I think, most of the people, don't know it either. Some people
> attending this year Wikimania CEE meeting were also confused commenting it:
> If we asked why it is need? You got an answer the meeting should be this
> autmn!
> This causes the luck of enthusiasm in CEE cooperation. Thus I think it is
> important to define the problems and explain clearlz, why we should fight
> such problems together rather alone. If we will not explain it and send a
> clear message, CEE cooperation will not be supported by wide range of CEE
> Wikimedians. In worse case, the creation of such "artificial" group, will
> led to "artificial" problems within the group (e.g. fight for power
> (information, money), silly conflicts etc.).
> People grouped around Wikipedia, to overstep this problem: "every single
> person on the planet doesn't have a free access to the sum of all human
> knowledge" (...Jimmy Wales). States made a group called World Food
> Programme, to solve the problem with world hunger. CEE Wikimedians set up
> cooperation to...?
> I can define two problems, which I see in CEE region. But how we can solve
> them together?
> 1) it is neglected by western groups (countries, WMF etc.)
> 2) socio-psychological problems (most people are motivated by security of
> livelihood, not basic principles of capitalism or higher values)
> CEE region is neglected by western groups, because it is understood as
> developed region. Thus western groups focuses on the regions like Africa or
> Asia. But I feel, not to be equal to developed countries of the west. Here
> I talk about money and resources. While it is not a problem to get
> resources for "developing countries", it is a problem to get money and
> resources to CEE. While other "developed" countries doesn't need them,
> "developed" countries of CEE (called transitional economies) are usually
> not so wealthy and need them.
> Socio-psychological problems rises from the same history: communism
> (socialism). That was an environment, which declares everybody peace, wage,
> work, place to live, good social standard, career growth etc. In those day,
> people where given most they needed. They lost the motivation, to get
> something by their own efforts. Now he have a capitalism in CEE region,
> which teaches people to work hard to fulfill their needs, but it doesn't
> work in CEE region much. This causes problems in Wikimedia chapters, but
> also in our outreach projects in getting more content and contributors to
> Wikipedia. E.g. in western Europe/US you will find much more people in
> GLAM, EDU willing to cooperate with Wikimedia then in CEE region.
> Juan
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