[WMCEE-l] CEE meeting planning – programme

Bence Damokos bdamokos at gmail.com
Sun Aug 26 20:08:36 CEST 2012

Hi Kiril,

Thank you for putting the schedule together!

>From experience, I can tell you that getting and soliciting timely feedback
is a difficult task in the Wikimedia world – either there is no response,
or too much too late. So please don't be disheartened by the lack of
discussion so far; to a degree you need to be flexible with last minute
comments, but also be able to draw a line when it becomes impossible to
change the schedule.

Still, looking at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012/Program at the
bottom, I think a few of the items need a bit more clarity – what is meant
by "organizational management", is it very different from the "chapter
professionalization" session?
Also, do you think it makes much sense to discuss fundraising or finances
in detail when the CEE meeting comes after the FDC deadline and most
involved chapters will not do a big fundraising? But perhaps you meant here
a session to discuss other ways to get money (e.g. grants) and the best
ways to manage spending it?

To be a bit constructive, if you feel that the programme could benefit from
someone talking about how to set up chapters and user groups either in a
session or as a working group on the second day, the newly renamed
Affiliations Committee will likely be able to send someone if invited. (If
no-one other than myself, who will possibly go as part of the WMHU


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Kiril Simeonovski <
kiril.simeonovski at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear members of the mailing-list,
> We're five days after the lunch of the draft program and schedule, but
> unfortunately nobody has commented yet. Because we don't have much time to
> waste until the conference, I will assume that there is nothing to change
> with the draft versions and that we can adopt it as official program. I
> made slight modifications by adding a time slot for topics related to the
> technical issues across the CEE countries and about the Wikidata project.
> Best regards
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Asaf Bartov <abartov at wikimedia.org>wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Mile Kiš <m.mikym at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It seems the grant application depends mostly on the travel expenses. We
>>>> cannot estimate those without knowing how many people will need help with
>>>> their tickets. And we can't tell that without knowing how many people will
>>>> actually step in front of the others and say something. Otherwise, we're
>>>> going to have a wonderful program with a lot of topics on which no one will
>>>> speak.
>>> My recent experience with global event tell me that we never can be 100%
>>> sure how we will need for travel. Because that we have cash reserves, and
>>> we will send it back if we do not spent it. So war several chapters told
>>> they have money for travel.  I hope WMF can cover travel costs. (Asaf, what
>>> you think about this?)
>> Yes.  On the one hand, don't wait to finalize travel information, because
>> that'll never be ready on time, and ticket prices go up.  On the other
>> hand, the WMF would only fund this meeting if it is clear there is a good
>> chance all this airfare would buy some meaningful mission-aligned goals,
>> beyond Wikimedians hanging out together, which is admittedly always fun. :)
>> So I would second Johannes -- the most important thing is to focus on _a
>> few_ topics/goals that you feel CEE delegates need to (and are able to)
>> work on, and make a good case for it.
>> And while we _do_ want, in principle, maximal representation, we also
>> want _meaningful_ representation (or rather, meaningful *participation*),
>> i.e. we want to find a balance between costs and benefits.  This means
>> every delegate should have a strong track record justifying the expense.
>>  For example, if there's only one active volunteer from Ruritania[1], it
>> doesn't make sense to have two delegates, just for the sake of symmetry.
>>  Agreed?
>> Cheers,
>>     Asaf
>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruritania
>> --
>>     Asaf Bartov
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