[WMCEE-l] Movement Charter Drafting Committee: CEE affiliates selector

Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky at gmail.com
Wed Oct 27 09:49:09 CEST 2021

Hi Kaarel!

Thanks for spending so much time on solving this Gordian knot. I think the
compromise is fine, a shortlist will hopefully produce a list of candidates
with the skills and expertise that can fill the gaps that the election will
probably produce (based on this year's WMF Board of Trustee election). I'm
a bit shocked to see how editors from en.wikipedia have driven the
narrative of a "fair" process, when in reality it only benefits their own
worldview and leaves everyone else out.


On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 23:13, Kaarel Vaidla <kvaidla at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I have noted this list thread and wanted to provide couple of points:
>    - The key argument objecting the sequential approach is not so much
>    about the bias of selectors, but rather equivalence between the election
>    and selection processes. The argument is that if the processes are not run
>    in parallel, it will disrupt the equivalence and give an upper hand in
>    determining the composition of the committee to the group that goes last.
>    - In the discussions with the selectors, I believe we have found a
>    good middle-ground solution that would (in my perspective) keep the
>    integrity of the equivalence principle and would enable the selectors to
>    better work on the diversity and expertise gaps in the committee. This
>    suggestion would be that 1) as the first step, the group of selectors is
>    creating a shortlist of 13 candidates to express their preference related
>    to the composition of the drafting committee. This will be done prior to
>    tallying the votes; 2) after votes have been tallied, the selectors will
>    have access to that information, to make their final selection of 6 members
>    to be appointed to the drafting committee. They can only select the
>    candidates that have been shortlisted prior to the tally.
>    - However, there is some strong criticism related to that approach
>    from project communities, mainly stating that in this way the equivalence
>    principle will not stay intact with the proposed solution. A good example
>    of that perspective is the recent thread on meta
>    <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections#Tardy_Selectors>
>    .
> I hope this helps to clarify the constraints. I am happy to discuss
> further, if it is helpful.
> Have a great continuation to your week!
> Kaarel
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 9:48 PM Tisza Gergő <gtisza at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:59 AM Philip Kopetzky <
>> philip.kopetzky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sounds reasonable to me - the bias angle is still a bit bizarre
>>> considering this isn't a popularity contest but a process to find a group
>>> of people able to complete the work they are tasked with.
>> Yeah, it would make a lot more sense if the various diversity criteria
>> were applied to the full 15 person committee, not just the six selected
>> members. It does not make much sense to have a 50/50 global north/south
>> split if the community election results in seven global north people, for
>> example.
>> I realize the selectors probably don't disagree but it isn't really up to
>> them; so I wonder if there is some way to make this perspective heard by
>> the WMF (more effectively than random people raising it on random
>> discussion channels, which is already happening).
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