[WMCEE-l] FDC on the CEE Meeting

Mon Nov 24 13:55:46 CET 2014

I am not quite sure if Pundit have time to visit Ukraine - but I can ask -
we can treat him as a part of our (Wikimedia Polska) delegation, so we pay
for him if needed. The problem is that the date is very closed to
Christmas, so people are not so willing to travel at that time, but we
probably manage to find 2-3 people.

2014-11-24 11:35 GMT+01:00 Balázs Viczián <balazs.viczian at wikimedia.hu>:

> Hi,
>
> In regards to this topic a public discussion between Asaf
> (or whoever will join from WMF/FDC/APG) and me about the experience of
> Wikimedia Hungary's _opting out_ from the FDC process could be
> something interesting for the wider public as well (at least as anything
> "unusual" could be)
>
> However I won't be able to make it to Kyiv. (Maybe it could be a side
> talk in Zurich for the interested if there is any or a quick chat
> within one of the FDC discussing spots)
>
> Also I believe I should first give a "private" feedback before I
> publicly share my side of the experience (what is in a draft mode for
> two months now...)
>
> Balazs
>
> 2014-11-24 5:23 GMT, Asaf Bartov <abartov at wikimedia.org>:
> > I agree with Levon.  The best practice in programming Wikimedia events is
> > to gather input as widely as possible.  So your (all of you) preferences
> > definitely matter.
> >
> > In that line, please do treat my opinion on deprioritizing FDC discussion
> > because of the relatively low number of groups it is relevant for as just
> > that - one opinion, of one participant.  It would be perfectly reasonable
> > to decide otherwise, when all input is considered.
> >
> > Let me end with yet another request of all the different groups to
> > PARTICIPATE in the program discussion.  The time is short, as we all
> know,
> > and every contribution counts.
> >
> >    A.
> > On Nov 23, 2014 4:28 PM, "Levon Azizian" <levonazizian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jan,
> >>
> >> I also think so, because Austrians have wealthy and experienced chapter,
> >> that's why they can share experience in how to use good governance and
> >> chapter effectiveness.
> >>
> >> Well, we will have enough people who can share experience on FDC as at
> >> session, as well after the official program. Maybe we even can make a
> >> poll
> >> on that session :-)
> >>
> >> I can't agree with last words, because we hope to see as much as it's
> >> possible involvement of CEE community in organizational questions,
> >> especially in question of preparing the final schedule. All in all we
> are
> >> just hosting the event and the main reason we're doing that - to share
> >> experience between chapters, to receive new skills and to develop mutual
> >> collaboration between CEE communities (not only with Ukrainians). For us
> >> it's very important that all representatives will receive all that three
> >> points, and we strongly recommend to be involved in questions you're
> >> interested in, because it's not internal event and we expect that our
> >> guests will participate in proposals to schedule more active and they
> >> will
> >> feel themselves in Kyiv as at home :-)
> >>
> >> Kind regards, Levon
> >>
> >> 2014-11-24 1:35 GMT+02:00 <aktron at centrum.cz>:
> >>
> >>> Levon,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Umm, yes. It is nice that Wikimedia Austria is interested in the CEE
> >>> group. Clearly that most of the subjects that are scheduled for the CEE
> >>> conference are good and valuable. I mean - if they know something they
> >>> are
> >>> good in, it will be really good to learn something from them...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When it comes to hiring a stuff - or to see it in a broader definition
> -
> >>> professionalitzation yes, the FDC process is indeed a key element in
> >>> this.
> >>> So it means that we will not avoid this topic after all, possibly (I
> >>> mean
> >>> this was expressed in the "I hope" part of my message). But anyway; I
> >>> understand various chapters prefer various topics, and so do we. These
> >>> topics are binded to each other; so it is indeed not a good idea to
> >>> scrap
> >>> such a topic in general. But then again, FDC is binded to lot of
> current
> >>> chapters' development, so it if it would be split in several topics, it
> >>> would do just fine...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But then again you as WM UA are the organizers and you schedule your
> own
> >>> event... I just expressed my beliefs :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> All best
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> > Od: Levon Azizian <levonazizian at gmail.com>
> >>> > Komu: A list for Wikimedians from Central and Eastern Europe <
> >>> wmcee-l at tools.wikimedia.pl>
> >>> > Datum: 24.11.2014 00:05
> >>> > Předmět: Re: [WMCEE-l] FDC on the CEE Meeting
> >>> >
> >>> Dear Jan,
> >>> We are glad that representative(s) from Czech Republic will have an
> >>> opportunity to attend CEEM-2014 and looking forward to see our Czech
> >>> colleagues in Kyiv!
> >>> Speaking about FDC session, as far as I know it's interesting for
> >>> Czechs,
> >>> Estonians and Serbians. Asaf thinks that this session can be
> >>> uninteresting
> >>> for other representatives. That's why there was a proposal to discuss
> >>> with
> >>> interested representatives all necessary questions on FDC during social
> >>> events and other free time.
> >>> But except your letter in support of that session we also received a
> >>> letter from Wikimedia Austria that they would like to join us via skype
> >>> and
> >>> to share their experience on topics "chapter effectiveness" and "good
> >>> governance".
> >>> So, we have at least to options. We can provide session FDC and for
> >>> example add to them skype conversations with Austrians on "chapter
> >>> effectiveness" and "good governance", or we can do as Asaf proposed (if
> >>> it's enough for chapters which are going to apply for FDC) and that two
> >>> topics will attach to some others (for example, "Hiring staff" or
> >>> "Starting
> >>> a chapter").
> >>> I hope to hear as much as possible opinions on this case, because we
> >>> want
> >>> to satisfy the requirements of CEE community as much as it's possible.
> >>> If
> >>> you have another proposals we would be glad to discuss them.
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>> Levon
> >>>
> >>> 2014-11-23 21:56 GMT+02:00 <aktron at centrum.cz>:
> >>>
> >>>> My fellow friends from the CEE Chapters,
> >>>>
> >>>> We've been discussing the upcoming Kiev meeting in Wikimedia Czech
> >>>> Republic in recent days. We will have our representative(s) that will
> >>>> come
> >>>> to the meeting. We've been also preparing some agenda for the meeting,
> >>>> so
> >>>> we will be able to share what we have, what is working well and also
> >>>> what
> >>>> is not and where we would like to learn something.
> >>>>
> >>>> As far as I've understood the CEE meetings, it's more about sharing
> >>>> experience, so we can learn from our successes or fails in order to
> >>>> repeat
> >>>> what was good and avoid what was not.
> >>>>
> >>>> A month ago me and Vojtěch Dostál have outlined a long-term plan for
> >>>> the
> >>>> developement of Wikimedia Czech Republic. The plan, that I believe is
> >>>> sound, would anticipate us joining the FDC in some reasonable future.
> >>>> And
> >>>> we have more challenges ahead of us that we'll have to address, like
> >>>> perfecting our projects, working with more institutions etc. We would
> >>>> also
> >>>> like to share the experience we have with another projects we did,
> like
> >>>> FČO. The impact of FČO is getting close to wikiexpeditions (as we
> could
> >>>> have seen in the past) and so I believe that the international
> >>>> community
> >>>> should hear about it.
> >>>>
> >>>> These are the issues that I believe our representative should discuss
> >>>> in
> >>>> Kiev. And FDC is the most important one ... The whole process have for
> >>>> sure
> >>>> significantly changed from 2013 when we tried to join it, and it is
> >>>> something where we need to learn from more experienced ones... such as
> >>>> Wikimedia Estonia or Wikimedia Serbia. There are many questions - like
> >>>> the
> >>>> voluneer time needed, the amound of effort that has to be invested,
> the
> >>>> level of transparency (reporting) that should be done - and overall
> the
> >>>> level of professionality we have to achieve before we'll be able to
> >>>> push
> >>>> our own professionalization process a bit more forward.
> >>>>
> >>>> That is why we would like to have some discussion related to FDC on
> the
> >>>> meeting. Having seen this being pulled from the conference is
> >>>> understandable, yet I believed this might be highly important panel
> for
> >>>> us
> >>>> on that very meeting.
> >>>>
> >>>> All I hope is that there will be some informal time during the session
> >>>> to have this topic discussed.
> >>>>
> >>>> All best
> >>>>
> >>>> Jan Loužek - Aktron
> >>>> Wikimedia Czech Republic
> >>>> chairman
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