[WMCEE-l] What the meeting is good for?

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Yes.. and the pardox of the situation is that the only "lingua franca"
for the teritory is actually English :-) + some countries are at the
war at the moment or they have been quite recently.


2014-11-16 9:03 GMT+01:00 Balázs Viczián <balazs.viczian at wikimedia.hu>:
> Laura,
>
> Iberocoop is a culturally homogeneous community with no language
> difficulties at all between its members. It can be best compared maybe to
> the UK's Commonwealth.
>
> Or imagine a cooperation between the UK-USA-SA-AUS-NZ-IRL-CAN and other
> closely related "English-first" countries.
>
> The CEE region in contrary can be divided into at least 4 (or more) distinct
> groups:
>
> 1) North Slavic (CZ-SK-POL),
> 2) South Savic (CRO-SLO-RS-BIH-MAC-BUL)
> 3) Russian-related (RUS-UKR-BLR-KAZ+wherever a sizable Russian minority
> lives,like the Baltic states plus maybe even as far countries as ISR and the
> USA)
> 4) Baltics (EST-LAT-LV)
> 5) Caucasus (ARM-GEO-AZE and Caucasaian Russia, -Iran, -Turkey)
>
> and others, like ROM-MOL, ALB-KOS or HUN with the sizable Hungarian
> minorities in the neighbouring countries, or GRE-CYP or Turkey(-North
> Cyprus-AZE) or others without a country (Sorbians, Rusyns, Sami, etc) and
> the many-many more I missed listing here (one example: the Finno-Ugric
> cooperation of FIN-HUN-EST+many ethnic groups without a country)
>
> The only "real" similarity is the Soviet/Communist history (but not for all)
> what actually almost everybody who had wants to get rid of (and what made
> most of those CEE countries look similar on the surface) and of course the
> geo-location.
>
> I understand that from the UK these countries might look very similar but
> beleive me, they are not.
>
> Apart from being roughly at the same part of the map if you zoom out enough
> (Budapest and Astana are 4500 kms away from each other...exact same distance
> as Lisbon-Moscow)
>
> And I have not even mentioned the history yet what gives a CZ-SK cooperation
> far better chances of success than for example a CRO-RS one (not to say
> examples like AZE-ARM...)
>
> Chapters would probably cooperate better than the general population though,
> however ignoring all mentioned above could lead to painful fails.
>
> Me being from Hungary have not much in common with lets say the Kazakhs due
> to the physical, linguistic and cultural distances we have between us.
>
> It is _absolutely not_ a bad thing just a simple fact. We are too different
> and too far away from each other (in all means) to find easy ways to
> cooperate (if we will ever try to...)
>
> Probably instead of pushing a single "CEE-coop" it would be better to let
> those "natural groups" be created. (Note, many countries would belong to
> more than one group but on different levels and depths what cold help create
> more focused cooperations).
>
> Balázs
>
> 2014.11.15. 8:55, "Laura Hale" <laura at fanhistory.com> ezt írta:
>>
>> To accomplish goals, to be better integrated into the wider community, to
>> help build the global Wikimedia brand for your own benefit, to get better
>> access to grants, to find other partners in chapters to do projects with, to
>> teach others what you have learned to be successful, to learn from others
>> what they have done to be successful, to alert others to important copyright
>> issues facing your local community, to better lobby on reforms related to
>> open access to information, etc.
>>
>> Improving visibility in a positive way is about improving collaboration.
>> Collaboration is at the heart of all Wikimedia projects, and what makes it
>> successful.  Often, you need face to face to do that.
>>
>> At the end of the day, you can argue go it alone all you want.  What
>> success has this strategy of going alone brought you?  Why is eschewing
>> collaboration in this case the better option?  Why is not working with
>> others a better road to success for your chapter or your Wikimedia project?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Laura Hale
>>
>> On Saturday, November 15, 2014, Juan de Vojníkov
>> <juandevojnikov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And why we have to improve the visibility of wmcee comunity?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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